S1000RR or MV Agusta 1000RR???

[luizftoliveira]

Put the K1300S for sale...I bought it considering fast travelling with a pillion, but the wife rode with me just once and exceeding road legal limits is becaming more and more costly and annoying due to speed cameras proliferation...

Considering all of this, will change for a track focused bike and take advantage of São Paulo F1 GP Interlagos racetrack availability for regular trackdays.

May add a 650 Sertão for shor trips around, but thats another history...

S1000RR and MVA F41000 are about the same price and overall performance. Anyone has ever ride the two to give me a hint?

[Bernardo]

Hi Luiz

I don't know about riding or performance differences, but If I ask the same question here in Argentina, definitely BMW is the best option, because service, maintenance and parts availability..

btw, MV is so beautiful

[Mirage_ZA]

Without a shadow of a doubt - wait a while longer and get Panigale.

[CoffeeFirst]

I took a serious look at the MV, it's a beautiful bike. But, when it came down to decision time I went with the S1000RR. It did take awhile to dial in the suspension set-up with some Ohlin components, but once I did ... no regrets. Absolutely love the bike. That said, I tend to agree with Mirage ... the Panigale specs and rider reviews awesome. It should be on your list. I can't wait to test ride one when they start to flow into my local dealer in April.

[luizftoliveira]

Ducatis are sold by independent dealers here, spare parts problems for sure, but I do agree that Panigale looks fantastic, although much more expensive than both S1 and F4:

1198 R$ 54000
S1000RR TOP tricolor R$ 72000
MV F4 R$ 68000

1R$= 0.6 USD

Since MV is assembled in Brazil from CKD kits I do not expect support problems, I do like BMW brand, however...

Tomorrow I will test ride the MV from the dealer and a colleague will borrow me a S1000RR on Sunday, swapping with my K1300S for the ride.

I will try to report the impressions about both bikes.

[CoffeeFirst]

Look forward to reading your views on the two bikes once you've ridden them. Have fun!

[Bernardo]

Hi Luiz

Funny you sell your K13 for the speed cameras, and think to buy a beastie like MV or Ducati! . Prepare your wallet...

[luizftoliveira]

hehehe, in fact I have shortlisted the S1000RR and the MV F4.

The idea is to have a track capable bike and to TRY to avoid speeding in the roads. As I have said, I may have to buy a BMW Sertão (Brazilian built G650 GS) for local countryside trips.

I have already had my driving license suspended due to the points system (90% with the car, a well behaved Citroen C5 V6 sedan, exceeding stupid 40km/h limits) and I know very well how expensive this is...

I am done with that, trying to avoid the induction speed sensors by monoeuvering between them in the road centerline, that has led to occasional scary/ unsafe moments due to traffic.

I have not given up the trip to Atacama/ Patagonia, but is safer and less expensive to buy and sell a dedicated bike for such a trip (pre owned, of course)

I enjoyed every moment with the K1300S and cannot agree with Alex about the lack of front end feeling. I like the way Duolever behaves when slowing/leaning/ turning. It is safe and gives you margin to avoid danger in unpredictable roads. You can slow down while leaned without going wide. However is not fast enough and agile for track days, it is a big bike in the garage ( I have one additional car now for my daughter). I regret parting with it.

If I was in charge of BMW product development, I would use S1000RR engine with a non-clunky shaft drive gearbox, Duolever front and an S1000RR looking front fairing to produce a winning K1000S!

Anyway, a good part of the pleasure of having a K1300S was being part of this forum!!!

[luizftoliveira]

Follows this weekend evaluation of the two bikes considered as replacement of beloved K1300S:

MV F4 vs S1000RR:

Evaluated bikes:

MV F4: São Paulo dealer bike with 480km, ECU set to Sport, Traction control off, 15 min ride in busy traffic in one of the main avenues in São Paulo.
S1000RR: colleague bike with 6700km, Sport mode, 60 min ride mixing highway, local montain road and small city traffic.

Positive points:

2012 MV F4:
Finish and apparent building quality well above average.
Smooth and precise gear shift.
Mirrors very good for city driving.
Firm but not harsh suspension. Absorbs well surface irregularities.
Practical and safe side stand with positive lock spring.

2010 S1000RR:
Gear shift assistance very good and effective.
Engine response good through rpm range.
Clever instrument cluster layout.

Negative points:

2012 MV F4:
Engine response flat spot around 3.5-4 rpm requiring constant gear shifts in city traffic.
LCD multiple function instrument with cluttered and confusing layout, without hour display.

2010 S1000RR:
Clunky and noisy gear box (BMW).
Spongy neutral, sometimes dificult to select.
Harsh and hard suspension. Surface irregularities may alter the trajectorie.
Short, wrong angled sidestand, with a weak spring, unsafe like that of K1300Ss.

Both bikes:
Quick and smooth responding, easy to control trajectory.
Sporty but reasonable riding position, for less than 60min.
Surprisingly good mirrors.
Excelent brakes, even if F4 does not have ABS.
Wind protection deficient above 200 km/h (both much worse than K1300S in this aspect).

Not decided for any of the two yet. Opinions welcome!

[CoffeeFirst]

Nice summary. Question for you. Did the S1KRR have stock suspension and did you get a chance to adjust preload or play with compression and rebound dampening on the test ride at all? Agree with your comment about S1KRR being hard to find neutral at times. I usually need to shift from 2nd into neutral. Can never get it from 1st gear. Also, while BMWs are known for clunky gear boxes, I find my S1KRR is petty smooth.

[Mirage_ZA]

Interesting remark about wind protection over 200km/h - when you rode MV in city traffic only ?
It is very difficult to make a decision after a short ride. If you want to focus on track - I strongly advise you don't get any of those bikes as it would be VERY expensive to repair in case something goes wrong. Safe environment - yes, but people around are pushing and it's easy to get involved in a "race". At least for me. Or my girlfriend who crashed her F800ST of her first track day.
As CF mentioned, you can get suspension to feel softer on the RR but if you want to go on the track you need firmer set-up. Here you can get second hand 750cc track bike for around 4000USD, with PC, Ohlins shocks and race pipe. If you bin it, just pick it up, replace levers and pegs and go back on the track again. Just my 2 cents of course. And let me whisper for you again - Panigale is the answer if you want exotic, sexy and fast

[luizftoliveira]

Did not had the chance to go to 200km/h in the MV due to busy traffic. Guessed wind protection is the same as S1 because the gap between the edge of the windscreen and the foremost part of my helmet is the same, in a proper riding position. MV and the dealer claim that the slots in the mirrors fairing help reduce buffeting.

But I reached 145km/h between two lights in Av Juscelino Kubitschek, São Paulo. Just look at Google maps!!!!

I could not set up the suspension in neither bike: The MV was said to be nominal factory setting and S1000RR was probably the same.

I agree with Alex about bringing those expensives bikes to the track. I am looking for a salvaged Daytona 675 (only the fairing was damaged).

[Major_Trouble]

My bike suggestion would be.....keep the K13 and control yourself on the road. The beast can be ridden slowly when restrictions apply quite happily and comfortably. Trying to ride the MV or S1000RR slowly on the road will be far more difficult than the K13 as much of your weight is on your wrists and the bikes suspension only really comes good when moving swiftly.

Buy a cheap track focused bike (GSXR, Fireblade etc) and get the 'going mad' bug out of your system on the track. If you have a MV or S1000RR and took it to the track would you push it hard knowing it's your only bike and will cost a fortune to fix.

[Eka]

My suggestion is that you buy both. There is probably other all the time driveable while other is in service. Basically i have all the time one bike in service. Couple more could secure driving when needed.

[Major_Trouble]

LOL Eka. They do say whoever dies owning the most toys wins.

[luizftoliveira]

Good point Eka, and will add the Panigale as soon as is available in Brazil...hehehe...

In fact, the bike I would buy without hesitation, if BMW would sell here, is the HP2 Sport, a good balance of agility, acceleration and end speed for road use and eventual track day.

With the new water cooled boxer of 140shp will be a very good bike.

Anyway added the MV F4 to my garage, the gear box precision, neutral and sidestand being the deciding factors.

For now, will keep the K13S as well, so enjoying the company of all of you of this forum.

[Bernardo]

Congratulations Luiz!

Open a thread in open forum and post a couple of pics and your experiences....

[Major_Trouble]

Pictures please or it never happened

[Mirage_ZA]

Pictures please or it never happened

+1

[luizftoliveira]

Will pick up the MV F4 tomorrow morning in São Paulo.
Pictures in the afternoon!!

[Major_Trouble]

Cool looking forward to seeing your new beauty.

[luizftoliveira]

So, there it is, after a 125 km ride from São Paulo, mixing busy city traffic, highways with occasional showers to challenge the Pirellis Diablo Corsa grip.
Forgot to set ECU to RAIN, left in SPORT but set Traction Control to 4 (50%).

Although limited to 6000 rpm (150 km/h 6th gear) in the first 500km, the bike is ninble and a delight to ride. It is really difficult to sort it from S1000RR in normal city/ road use other than the details: clunkiness/ neutral and sidestand. Found my heels and thighs beeing cooked when stopped at tool stations and in heavy traffic. Leathers are a must!

[CoffeeFirst]

Congratulations! Beautiful bike ... enjoy!

[Major_Trouble]

Very nice bike. One you can enjoy just looking at. Lovely details. Give us an update on your riding experience as you put the kms on.

[luizftoliveira]

Put 850 km on the MV F4 riding two consecutive weekends:

After initial break in limited to 6000rpm/ 150 km/h for the first 500km, could ride up to 9000rpm/ 220 km/h, enough to add more information to compare with the S1000RR:

- wind protection up to 220 km/h: much better in the MVAgusta F4 than in the S1000RR, with less buffeting and top head drag force. Slots in the mirrors of the F4 that reduce the shedding vortexs has to do with that. Speed feel in S1000RR is always higher than indicated in the speedo. F4, although not at the same confort level of a K1300S on that matter is again surprisingly good.
- open loop traction control: far less sofisticated than that of S1000RR, just detects RPM surges not linked with throttle use and cuts in igntion. Rode with 50% setting (4) and did not find it intrusive with just one percieved intervention when leaned over a asphalt mark line exiting a corner, After break in will disable it, setting to zero.

Do not regret the choice over the S1000RR, so far.