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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:25 pm

THE AGONY & ECSTASY? NOT EXACTLY
SARGENT SEAT STANDARD vs. LOW vs. OEM STANDARD

PART 2


For Part 1 of Agony and Ecstasy, please click here:
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Sargent Seat Low, with Black Welting and Gloss Black Storage Pod on '09 K1300S
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This is the Part 2 of my new Sargent seat review in Low version. Last year I tested the Sargent in the Standard and was very curious as how the Low would feel. Well, now I know. :)

To recap the story, I rode down to the '09 MOA rally in Tennessee from NY with the regular OEM seat and coming back pretty much the same route, same gear, I was on the Sargent seat in Low, so that provided the ultimate method to test their seat.

DISCLAIMER: Let me clarify a few things. If you're someone who normally rides with racing leathers, or thick sport leather riding pants, chances are you wouldn't care too much about what type of seat you're on. Also, if you tend to ride with certain BMW pants, such as ComfortShell, that have a seat padding, again you wouldn't care too much about OEM seats vs aftermarket reviews. Also if you're a rider who just rides a few hours on nice Sundays (Ducati style) then this is not for you either.

But if you're like most of us BMW K riders who wear variety of different types of pants, including riding grade denims and textiles and are on your bike often then the type of seat you ride on matters a great deal.

For my style of riding about 15,000 miles a year, all weather, hot or cold, mostly in riding grade denim pants, the OE seat is torturous. I dislike it with passion. I am not a fan of the seat fabric, nor the foam and nor the shape of the seat. 8)

So, I have always looked at aftermarket seats to supplement my ride. Last couple of years, I tested both the Corbin and Sargent. And now I am back on the Sargent but in the Low profile.

Sargent Seat Standard, with Silver Welting and Matching Paint Storage Pod on 08 K1200S
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Corbin Leather Seat on 07 K1200R-Sport
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THE SARGENT SEAT in LOW PROFILE
Riding down on the OE seat from NY to TN took about 15 hours. We did it in one evening and a day. The last 200 miles were very painful, I couldn't find a comfortable spot on the seat and was either hanging on one chick or another, if you get my drift and that's on an interstate (AKA highway or freeway). I was so happy to get rid of OE seat and put the Sargent on at the MOA and was looking forward to my ride back. Before I continue with this story, let me explain the differences between Sargent seat in Low and Standard.

SARGENT LOW vs. STANDARD
I liked the Sargent in the Standard profile, it had good support, and I found it instantly comfortable. Although if I would have ordered one for personal use, instead of review duty, I would have made some alterations to it. The Storage pod is quite nice, but it cuts in rider's seat real estate. I rather have a slightly shorter storage pod and more seating area. The OE rider's seating area is quite nice, but that's about it. So, for my taste, options would be to forgo the Pod and just have Sargent create one kick ass single unit seat, or find ways to push the pod further back and create more room for the rider.

For me the same issue lives on the Low version. The difference between the Sargent Standard and Low is 1" in height, but the seat pan and storage pods are the same. Actually the Low seat, by design provides more seating area for the rider, because it's lower. These seats have a slight pyramid effect. Meaning the higher they go, the less seating area. So, I like the Low version better for that reason, however, the 1" loss of seat cushioning, doesn't exactly make for a super comfortable seat. UPDATE: The seat has been breaking in nicely and it's getting more comfortable by the day.

Unless you have a height issue and must have the Low seat, I'd say that's money well spent, but if you can try to stick with the Sargent in the Standard profile. The increase the foam depth makes all the difference.

THE RIDE BACK
Although I found the Low Sargent a bit on the hard side, compare to the OE it was heavenly. The ride back was no where near as torturous as with the OE and by the end, I was actually in pretty good shape. This is with the same riding gear mind you. I did, along the way, realize that the Standard Sargent would have been the way to go, but since I had tested that last year, I felt it was my journalistic duty to sacrifice for the greater good... ;)

SARGENT SEAT CONCLUSION
I am a big fan of Sargent, they make the sportiest aftermarket seats, their seats are always either as light or lighter than stock, they offer a storage compartment under the seat, their seats are 100% waterproof and require no maintenance. You really can't beat their product, they are also terrific people with good customer service. One of Sargent's great hidden gems is their ability to customize their seats to your liking, so if you're patient, and you find their off the rack seats not 100% to your liking, try to work with them to create these seats just as you like them. Granted that will take time and will require some shipping fees along the way, but it's worth it. Otherwise, grab the Standard profile Sargent seat with matching paint Storage pod and thank the seat gods for smiling on you every day you ride.

By the way, I am sending this seat back to Sargent when I am done with my review. Sargent will be selling it as a press/review seat at discount, so if you're interested give them a call and reserve this and have yourself a cool seat and save some cash in the process. But if you do that, do not try to rush me to send this seat back! :mrgreen:

PS: The seat is feeling more comfortable as the days pass. Basically it's breaking in!
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:57 am

I am getting PM's about this thread and frankly, I rather answer posts publicly. If you have a question about any aspect of my current review, pls post in this thread. I hardly reply to PMs. Thank you!

Also, I have lots more coming up, including a walk around video of the bike, actual ride and performance review (haven't done that yet) and comments on some new goodies installed on the bike including 2D dash. so stay tuned, but pls do not PM, post in this thread instead. Thanks!
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby joaosaraiva on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:12 am

Shiva i gotta hand it to you, you are right on the money with the uncomfortable feeling on the crotch. the standard seat really does feel bad and i never mentioned that before in any of my posts because maybe it was just me, i thought, that left the bike with a pain in my stones... in fact it does feel bad at least it´s uncomfortable for me. Would i keep this bike longer and i would get a sargent seat for sure...
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:46 am

Hi, thanks for the confirmation. I think the BMW low seat maybe a little better as it doesn't press up against the crotch, but I haven't tried it yet.... :batman:
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:56 pm

An interesting update. I just noticed that the heated grips button on the right side switch has stopped working. Now the bike has been sitting under the sun, so, it could be that the switch is too warm to run (which is one of the problems with the first gen switches). But luckily I have a new right hand switch on hand that I ordered just in case. The new switch will get swapped tomorrow. More on this later... :) S
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby oddvarst on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:22 pm

Hi Shiva

I am a short rider standing 5.6 feet tall. I'm considering the low version of the Sargent seat but I'm wondering if the normal version could be a better option with the extra comfort. When I ride my K1300s I can stand with both feet on the ground with 1/3 of the foot touching. I have the standard OEM seat height. That is fine when I am riding alone but I do not feel that confident with a passenger behind me when I have to stop on all kind of bad roads in Norway. Is the normal Sargent seat as narrow in the front as the OEM seat? If it's wider I may reach the grown only with my toes. In that case I'd be better off with the lower version where I might get my heals on the ground as well :) .
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby dohc97 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:29 pm

SHIVA wrote:An interesting update. I just noticed that the heated grips button on the right side switch has stopped working. Now the bike has been sitting under the sun, so, it could be that the switch is too warm to run (which is one of the problems with the first gen switches). But luckily I have a new right hand switch on hand that I ordered just in case. The new switch will get swapped tomorrow. More on this later... :) S


I also found out last night that my heated grips are not working.
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby johncrosby on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:37 pm

Loved the video of the rain showers in NYC. Where were you standing in a shelter, a cafe? What a summer we are all having, been storming like this in the UK all week. Did you do the photos and video with your Canon G10? I'm starting to be a convert to the orange too. The tipping point was the Lambo comparison, absolutely spot on. Funny how the brain takes time to assimilate things. Good design and good colours sometimes need to be worked out before we love them. Look at the bangle BMWs for example, each and every one has grown on me in time. Same for this K1300S in lava.
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:39 pm

oddvarst, welcome to the forum. I would get the Low version of Sargent. The standard version feels higher than the normal OE. Also the seat as it breaks in, is beginning to feel better and more comfortable. :) S
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby andy griff on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:48 pm

That first storm video is amazin... real life storm effects :lol:
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby nemesis.ie on Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:01 pm

SHIVA wrote:Got caught in a massive storm, just driving around town, wearing full ventilated gear. :)

Check out these two short YouTube videos of the K1300S in the storm, on our Video gallery.
Tell me which one you like better:



Hmmm, it looks like a lot like we get every other day over here in "not so sunny" Ireland. ;-)

It's been like the pic on and off for most of the last 3 weeks. :(

Your cobbled streets look pretty good too. ;-)

I can feel my ESA II getting softer already, only 5500km. :(

It's still lovely to have though and the most comfortable ride I've ever had on our so-called roads. ;-)
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:15 pm

dohc: I also found out last night that my heated grips are not working.


It's just a right switchgear that needs to be swapped. No biggie! At least the bike starts... :)

john: Where were you standing in a shelter, a cafe? What a summer we are all having, been storming like this in the UK all week. Did you do the photos and video with your Canon G10?


I was wearing all perf gear, with airflow boots, so I just gave up and pulled in next to a cafe that was surrounded by scaffolding. I had a meal there and waited until the skies opened up, but I did pop out to take those videos/shot and nearly ruined my Canon.

I am using Canon G9, didn't upgrade to G10, but there is some amazing new cams supposed to come out end of this year. The G9 is fine, but I do extensive Photoshop work. Cropping is crucial, only show people what you want them to see, nothing more. I sharpen with USM, and adjust contrast, color and tone. And if I want the orange to pop, I add a bunch of red in post production. I think we're on the verge of super compacts that would shoot 4fps, have great lens, shoot HD wide video (which I am waiting for from Canon), have 3" 960K screens (many do already) and more. I think Canon will surprise us by end August with some interesting compact offerings, and most probably a successor to the G10.

andy: That first storm video is amazin... real life storm effects


Thanks! :)

nemesis: It's been like the pic on and off for most of the last 3 weeks. I can feel my ESA II getting softer already, only 5500km.


It's been really wet in our area as well. The whole June was a wash. And if you look at weather report for the next 10 days for NYC, they have thunderstorms every single day. You know you can't keep an area plush and green without lots of rain... ;)

The ESA in COMFORT needs time to break in, no question. The bike is gradually coming around now with 2500 miles on the odo. I haven't done ride reviews yet, I feel the bike changing already, so will do one after putting on some more goodies to test.
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby oddvarst on Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:28 pm

SHIVA wrote:oddvarst, welcome to the forum. I would get the Low version of Sargent. The standard version feels higher than the normal OE. Also the seat as it breaks in, is beginning to feel better and more comfortable. :) S


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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:37 pm

an interesting twist in the right side switchgear. At midday the heated grips button wouldn't work , however in the evening it started working. this is actually consistent with some reports that the first generation of these bikes have temperamental switch gears that wouldn't work when warmed up.

Any how, I'm swapping the right hand switch tomorrow AM. :) S
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:19 am

Also, it rained before I started riding the bike in the evening and the bike stalled again. It hadn't stalled since the MOA rally in TN. I wonder if the humidity has something to do with it. S
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:00 am

John: Look at the bangle BMWs for example, each and every one has grown on me in time.


I think as a whole Bangle was a failure as a designer. BMW is moving far away from his creations. He may have had some good ideas, but wasn't seasoned enough to execute them properly. The new 7 series has no bangle trade marks. His Z4 was a disaster, the totally new Z4 is a beaute. The 5 series compare to the E class and the Audi 6, 5 or 4 is a missmash of lines. The only thing he got going for him was that he designed for a company that make such superior driving cars that we forgave the poor styling of the bangle era. If he would have designed for Nissan, no one would have cared! :drunken: S
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby dohc97 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:09 am

SHIVA wrote:
John: Look at the bangle BMWs for example, each and every one has grown on me in time.


I think as a whole Bangle was a failure as a designer. BMW is moving far away from his creations. He may have had some good ideas, but wasn't seasoned enough to execute them properly. The new 7 series has no bangle trade marks. His Z4 was a disaster, the totally new Z4 is a beaute. The 5 series compare to the E class and the Audi 6, 5 or 4 is a missmash of lines. The only thing he got going for him was that he designed for a company that make such superior driving cars that we forgave the poor styling of the bangle era. If he would have designed for Nissan, no one would have cared! :drunken: S



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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:20 am

by going to extrovert styling they attracted people who normally do not respond to subtle styling. BMW lost a lot of the purists, but gained people who'd normally drive Japanese, so at the end they made out OK... :) but now they are going after the purists again.
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:03 pm

UPDATE:

The K1300S got a new right side switchgear with a build date of 7/7/09. Also a 2D dash has been installed, although the installation of the 2D dash will not be complete until tomorrow. Also, tomorrow it will get HP foot pegs.

Wait for an update and new images by the weekend and hopefully, I'll try to do a comprehensive walk around video by then as well. :) S
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby GeeBee on Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:18 pm

Looking forward to what you think about the HP footpegs, Shiva.
For me personally, that was one of the nicest surprises in terms of tailoring my K12S. I finally understand that I can use my rear brake and shifting goes indeed smoother'.... The latter, as mentioned by someone else before, is, imho, due to the bearing in the shifting mechanism. But as you have the QS, the shifting mechanism in the K13S will be slightly different compared to the K12S from what I have seen (and slightly cheaper).
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:23 pm

THE FREAKIEST THING JUST HAPPENED

I almost don't believe what just happened. The installation of the 2D MotoGP dash wasn't completed today, so I was told that some functions on the bike will not show on the display until tomorrow, where they can complete the installation of the entire software. I commute on the bike so had to ride it home.

What I didn't know was that the ABS was disconnected due to the partial install.

On the way home, in a major downpour of course, as it's been raining everyday. As I get on Manhattan streets a FedEx truck cuts me off from the left with no warning, no signal. Not knowing that the ABS is not active I brake normally leaning mostly on the front. With the roads being wet, within a fraction of a second, the front wheel locks and the bike leans over on it's right side at about 45 degrees fully intent of going into a low side. I thought I was going to low side for sure. I let go of the front brake, put my right foot down, give it gas and the bike rights itself and keeps in lane, as if nothing had just happened.

Keep in mind all this happened within 1 second. It took just about 1 second from the time the FedEx truck cut me off to bike straightening itself, due to release of front brake, foot down and acceleration. Wild ride indeed.

And there was a 7 Series driving behind me who witnessed the whole thing, you should have seen the look on his face. He passed me by slowly shaking his head in disbelief in what he just witnessed. A sure fire low side in the middle of Manhattan, on a rainy evening avoided!!!!

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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby Bernardo on Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:39 pm

Experience, knowledge.... but over all things...... Lucky man!!! :shock:

Now use UPs.... :wink:
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby SHIVA on Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:49 am

that was lucky for sure and muscle memory helped as well!!! :mrgreen:

GeeBee: The HP rearsets are going on the bike today. More on this later... :) S
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Re: REVIEW: 2009 K1300S Ongoing Long-Term Test - Images/Video

Postby don-01 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:58 am

G'day Shiva,

Enjoying the write up and looking forward to what comes.

Just thought I would mention a problem that I have just experienced that I have not seen posted before and that you might be able to keep an eye out for;

Riding home after a wet ride on Sunday, the little oil can icon on the dash displayed. I thought it was indicating that the engine coolant was low. However, after reading the owners manual realised that it was indicating that the oil in the the oil tank was low. I checked the oil level - no problems there - so checked the readout of the onboard computer and this also indicated "CHECK" indicating the oil level was low.

I took the bike to the dealer (as an aside they loaned me a demo BMW F800ST - what a great bike, deceptively fast and very comfy) and of course it was working fine.

Maybe just a small glitch but something else that might be connected to damp conditions.
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